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Re: North winds and seas
[Re: LocalSailor]
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03/27/2024 12:59 PM
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sailingbob
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We arrive Sunday and set out on charter Monday. Looks like the the winds will be out the NE Monday and Tuesday. What are the prospects of sailing up the channel from Soper's Hole to Cooper? Looks like a heading of 90 degrees. Assuming the true wind at 45 degrees, I am thinking that too close to the wind for an Elba, but wanted to ask more experience hands.
Last edited by sailingbob; 03/27/2024 01:22 PM.
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Re: North winds and seas
[Re: LocalSailor]
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03/27/2024 01:02 PM
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GeorgeC1
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Monohull or Cat? It’s still really a bit to far out to trust the forecast.
Last edited by GeorgeC1; 03/27/2024 01:03 PM.
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Re: North winds and seas
[Re: LocalSailor]
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03/27/2024 02:27 PM
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MrEZgoin
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If by sail you mean get there without motoring I would say pretty unlikely. If you're willing to motorsail then ok.
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Re: North winds and seas
[Re: sailingbob]
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03/27/2024 03:35 PM
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Time Will Tell
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You can do it - but it will be a tacking slog the whole way up. I have friends I sail with who I'd do that with, but we can be a little crazy that way. If the Admiral is aboard, we'd be motorsailing at most! Game time decision based on your style of sailing!!!
Either way, have fun!!!
-Peter
Peter s/y Time Will Tell (2019 Lagoon 42) peter@syTimeWillTell.com
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Re: North winds and seas
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03/28/2024 04:43 PM
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OceanSong
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Mondays can be tough check-in days at JVD. This past Monday it took me about 2-1/2 hours of wait time in the office, broken up by going back to my boat, then a long lunch and picking up my passports after processing. Started at 10:15am, had passports back in hand around 4:00pm.
Last edited by OceanSong; 03/28/2024 09:17 PM.
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Re: North winds and seas
[Re: LocalSailor]
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03/31/2024 07:55 AM
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OceanSong
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The incident at The Baths is quite similar to the Hillbilly debacle. The Hillbilly didn’t have the benefit of Red Flag warnings but an experienced skipper shouldn’t need a flag of any color to guide his/her decisions. I do understand how a bareboater, especially with several guests or family on board, can overlook questionable conditions while trying to entertain shipmates and hit all the high spots during a 7 or 10-day charter. Not saying it’s smart or responsible, just that I can understand how it happens.
Many years ago we were at The Baths and I don’t recall a red flag out, but we realized upon catching the mooring that getting the dinghy off the davits was going to be difficult. Someone suggested we “just swim in”. My wife immediately squashed the idea and we told our 6 guests the conditions were untenable. Dropped the mooring, headed to North Sound, taxied over. It made for a short day at The Baths, but still tons of fun. If we had been able to deploy the dinghy, we might have headed to shore and left the boat. Now, 24 years later, I would not even pick up a mooring in those conditions. Live and learn, and thank goodness for smart spouses.
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Re: North winds and seas
[Re: LocalSailor]
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03/31/2024 08:22 AM
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steve74
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As a family, we now have about 12 to 14 weeks of charter experience in the BVI, and we are still learning. Here is an idea - recognizing that there are some bull-headed people who charter these boats - but my guess is that most really want to learn prior to chartering.
Maybe there should be a "List of Lessons" created to teach best practices categorized by each facet of the adventure (dinghy, anchoring, mooring, how to use the toilets, water usage, navigating, safety, docking, etc.). The people on this forum could come up with 5 or 10 quickly in each category, so I can only imagine what the base teams could come up with given the things they have seen. For example, in the mooring and safety categories, don't moor a huge boat in heavier winds and seas since the wind and swell put extra pressure on the mooring hardware! In the dinghy section, don't try to beach a dinghy in swell, and especially don't stand between a dinghy and the beach in swell.
The lessons could be 2 to 4 sentences each (with exceptions where needed) and the documents could be like an FAQ where new things are added over time.
Maybe this has been done - if so, I haven't seen it.
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Re: North winds and seas
[Re: LocalSailor]
#317048
03/31/2024 09:30 AM
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MrEZgoin
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I think some people don't appreciate WHY not to pick up a mooring in fairly shallow water in a swell, as at the Baths. I think people assume it's about swimmer safety.
Without the weight and catenary of a chain rode, moorings can only rely on the stretch of the nylon lines to absorb shock loads. As I recall, maximum elongation of nylon is around 10-20%. A big boat lifted by the swell exerts tremendous force that WILL break the line if the ability to stretch is exceeded. That's assuming the anchor doesn't pull out first.
Last edited by MrEZgoin; 03/31/2024 09:31 AM.
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