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At the bar.. #303025 06/19/2023 01:14 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carol_Hill OP Traveler OP Carol_Hill Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! OK, sitting at the bar, waiting at the airport. No plane here yet from Miami. Travel is such sweet sorrow! Carol Hill

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303026 06/19/2023 01:17 PM Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 399 Detroit bluejacket Traveler bluejacket Traveler Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 399 Detroit Time to start planning the next one. Hope you have a great return trip.

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303027 06/19/2023 01:22 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carol_Hill OP Traveler OP Carol_Hill Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Just ordered round two, if I remember correctly the mia flight -- update mia flight just landed. Eric Carol Hill

Re: At the bar.. bluejacket #303028 06/19/2023 01:27 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carol_Hill OP Traveler OP Carol_Hill Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! bluejacket--hoping for a return in the fall, but got to get airfare that we can live with!!! Carol Hill

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303029 06/19/2023 02:05 PM Joined: May 2006 Posts: 208 L Lancer Traveler Lancer Traveler L Joined: May 2006 Posts: 208 Have a safe journey home you guys. We’re hoping our trip Saturday back home isn’t effected by the storm.

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303030 06/19/2023 02:16 PM Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 63 Canada C CYOWDave Traveler CYOWDave Traveler C Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 63 Canada Originally Posted by Carol_Hill Just ordered round two, if I remember correctly the mia flight -- update mia flight just landed. Eric Listening to PJIA ATC sounds like AA2219 to MIA has requested 28 for departure instead of 10; the opening bid from ATC was a one hour delay for 28 since they are using 10 for everyone else. Expect they will figure something out before too long. Dave.

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303031 06/19/2023 02:23 PM Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,371 Likes: 4 Auburn, WA SXMScubaman Traveler SXMScubaman Traveler Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,371 Likes: 4 Auburn, WA Was there any explanation on why it was delayed?

Re: At the bar.. SXMScubaman #303032 06/19/2023 03:06 PM Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 63 Canada C CYOWDave Traveler CYOWDave Traveler C Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 63 Canada Originally Posted by SXMScubaman Was there any explanation on why it was delayed? The AA pilot said they required 28 for departure because of the aircraft weight, not sure exactly what the details are, terrain/obstacle clearance after takeoff and during initial climb with a high takeoff weight maybe? Anyway ATC weren't able to give them 28 immediately. Dave.

Re: At the bar.. CYOWDave #303038 06/19/2023 05:09 PM Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,371 Likes: 4 Auburn, WA SXMScubaman Traveler SXMScubaman Traveler Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,371 Likes: 4 Auburn, WA Was wondering why it was late departing MIA not PJIA.

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303043 06/20/2023 07:52 AM Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,562 Likes: 2 Rhode Island RonDon Traveler RonDon Traveler Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,562 Likes: 2 Rhode Island air fare to live with? You must be dreaming. Maybe with rising costs we all here should plan to travel together and make our own charter.

Re: At the bar.. CYOWDave #303047 06/20/2023 08:37 AM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carol_Hill OP Traveler OP Carol_Hill Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Dave--I never understood that "28 versus 10" runway stuff, but we took off the "wrong way", with basically no delay after we got on the plane. A friend sent me a picture of the takeoff. Thanks, Lynn! We arrived home around midnight last night. Tails are dragging today, will be a very short day at the office. Last edited by Carol_Hill; 06/20/2023 08:43 AM. Carol Hill

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303048 06/20/2023 08:48 AM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carol_Hill OP Traveler OP Carol_Hill Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! By the way, they moved the Joneyburgers and the Dominos down by the bar, so it's much easier to get something to eat there close to the bar now. And the bartender there recognized us, even though we hadn't been to SXM in a year. Carol Hill

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303049 06/20/2023 09:07 AM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 352 crsxm Traveler crsxm Traveler Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 352 Glad you are home safe and sound! Re-entry to reality is always a difficult one. I've found the bar at the airport to be a very pleasant experience with very well made drinks--but to be recognized there, well that's a whole different level of famous! Makes the journey home a little more tolerable.

Re: At the bar.. crsxm #303050 06/20/2023 09:16 AM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carol_Hill OP Traveler OP Carol_Hill Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! That same lady has been the bartender there for a while. A few years ago, we had a REALLY long delay at Juliana--something like 4 or 5 hours--which we spent at the bar, so she remembers us from that. Carol Hill

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303053 06/20/2023 09:37 AM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 2,503 Anguilla, British West Indies NeilRooney Traveler NeilRooney Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 2,503 Anguilla, British West Indies 28 vs 10 is the direction of the runway based on 360 degrees, 280 and 100. Basically, East and West or 90 degrees and 270 degrees Another Day On Planet Earth

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303060 06/20/2023 10:33 AM Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,211 Likes: 1 Cobourg Ontario Canada J jeepers Traveler jeepers Traveler J Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,211 Likes: 1 Cobourg Ontario Canada You're welcome Carol! Not a bad photo since it was taken off the screen of my computer with my iphone. Glad you got home with no more incidents. Wow & you went to work today. We usually need at least one day at home to acclimatize!

Re: At the bar.. jeepers #303065 06/20/2023 12:21 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carol_Hill OP Traveler OP Carol_Hill Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Lynn--Well, I just checked the mail, messages, and my email and beat feet home! Eric is still there, bless his heart! Carol Hill

Re: At the bar.. NeilRooney #303066 06/20/2023 12:22 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carol_Hill OP Traveler OP Carol_Hill Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Neil--thanks. Which way is the 'regular' way? Carol Hill

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303070 06/20/2023 01:16 PM Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,211 Likes: 1 Cobourg Ontario Canada J jeepers Traveler jeepers Traveler J Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 1,211 Likes: 1 Cobourg Ontario Canada not Neil but most planes leave runway 10 from the beach end. Depends on the wind though, right,Neil? Lol. Air France is always 28 at least that's the only end I've seen. KLM usually 10. Can you tell I've seen a lot from my office computer!

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303075 06/20/2023 04:18 PM Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,214 Likes: 1 CaribLee Traveler CaribLee Traveler Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,214 Likes: 1 The regular way is flying over the mountains. Primarily because it takes you away from incoming traffic.....although wind speed and wind direction come into play. As someone said, Air France almost always takes off over the beach. I think partly because they usually leave late in the afternoon when there is less traffic.

Re: At the bar.. CaribLee #303077 06/20/2023 05:01 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carol_Hill OP Traveler OP Carol_Hill Traveler Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 83,877 Likes: 3 Central Florida! Carib--yes, for sure the regular way is over the mountains. I still don't get the numbers thing, but I guess I have a mental block on that. I thought the numbers were for which way the plane takes off. Carol Hill

Re: At the bar.. CaribLee #303079 06/20/2023 05:27 PM Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,371 Likes: 4 Auburn, WA SXMScubaman Traveler SXMScubaman Traveler Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,371 Likes: 4 Auburn, WA " I think partly because they usually leave late in the afternoon when there is less traffic." I believe it has to do with the extra fuel it takes for such a heavy load to clear the mountain. KLM, when they flew the 747, had to stop in Aruba to refuel before heading back to Amsterdam.

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303081 06/20/2023 07:38 PM Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 404 U Uksimonusa Traveler Uksimonusa Traveler U Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 404 Originally Posted by Carol_Hill Carib--yes, for sure the regular way is over the mountains. I still don't get the numbers thing, but I guess I have a mental block on that. I thought the numbers were for which way the plane takes off. Runway numbers align roughly with the compass heading the runway faces. Runwy 10 is 100 degrees, where North is 0 degrees, the same runway will be 28, or 280 degrees, I did say roughly, as there are only 360 degrees in a circle, when it is used the other way as planes will be taking off 280 degrees from North.

Re: At the bar.. Uksimonusa #303082 06/20/2023 07:49 PM Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,371 Likes: 4 Auburn, WA SXMScubaman Traveler SXMScubaman Traveler Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 19,371 Likes: 4 Auburn, WA Great clarification and explanation. 👍Thanks.

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303087 06/21/2023 06:08 AM Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,562 Likes: 2 Rhode Island RonDon Traveler RonDon Traveler Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,562 Likes: 2 Rhode Island We've been flying from SXM since way back when that I remember when planes had to stop in Peuto Rico to gas up because they couldn't be full due to weight of fuel to clear that mountain.

Re: At the bar.. Carol_Hill #303091 06/21/2023 09:37 AM Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 14,708 Likes: 1 Brookfield, CT. pat Traveler pat Traveler Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 14,708 Likes: 1 Brookfield, CT. Likewise on PR. Our first flight was in ‘73 or ‘74 on Pan Am and we took off over the hill and headed to SJU. Only once in all our 48 years of at least once annual trips do I recall we ever took off over Maho Beach and it was pretty cool.🙂🙂 Respectfully, pat "Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them."