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Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/08/2017 09:47 PM
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For those interested, I saw this posted on the Petit Casino FaceBook post: Hi all , hope you are well : me not so much today !!! For the petit casino and Yellow sub we have to wait the news rules of the French governement for the reconstruction, also the water system evacuation in the orient village is completely out of order !!! DREAMS WILL BE DETROY TOTALLY AND NOT REBUILT !!!
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 08:05 AM
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Wow. I cannot imagine how devastated Bruno and family are. He is such a hardworking person. SXM without Dreams??? Wow... Don't really understand the rest of the post. No water or no sewage system???
Carol Hill
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 08:46 AM
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Eric thought that's what it meant too, sewage system. I wonder on Dreams, whether he decided since he would have to totally rebuild, whether he would look for a different location. LaPlaya, as far as I know, he still had a partner on, so that is not totally up to him, I guess. Just so sad..
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 09:44 AM
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According to Jeff Berger's newsletter, there is supposedly some French law that says that restaurants cannot build closer than 50 paces (paces or feet? not sure) to the water. Restaurants have routinely ignored this law, but perhaps it will be enforced now. Apparently the law is not enforced if you have an AOT (something like a lease??) but I guess most places don't have one? It's very confusing to me.
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 11:23 AM
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The 50 paces of the King - pas du roi - is an old concept of french law which means that the state has possession/control of 50 paces above the high water mark. In France generally, this was codified as 81.5 meters.
As I understand it, based in large part on conversations with Phillipe some years ago who developed some interest in issue - and who actually once had interest in studying to be a lawyer - in Saint Martin pre-1995 there was virtually zero enforcement of the concept and people freely built up to the high water mark or even over it.
Also, the pre-1995 government apparently sold its rights to this space when selling land - or at least signed agreements indicating that the domain land was being sold (such as most well known in Terre Basses and possibly for Club O).
Post 1995 (i.e., post-Luis), the Commune - which later became the Collectivitie, adopted the view that for purposes of Saint Martin, they generally would use 17 meters above high water mark, but many structures of course still were within that space.
The government issued AOTs (granting a concession - like a lease) to businesses to make their building in the area close to (and maybe over) the high water mark "legal." The issuing of AOTs has been "interesting."
What may happen now - as it happened post-Luis - is that the government will try to reestablish governmental control over the domain land - however that will be defined.
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 11:57 AM
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Thanks for the explanation. From my understanding, the "five stars" of Orient have AOT's?? And the 'new' restaurants in the rebuilt area do also?
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 12:14 PM
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This is so devastating for Bruno. I would think Dreams would have been the easier rebuild. Everything on Orient will be harder to get up and running because of so many other problems there. Did he lose the bungalows too or did his home and the bungalows and villa survive? Just surviving day to day after being wiped out like that must be a real challenge.
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 12:35 PM
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Elizabeth, I read somewhere that the bungalows sustained some damage, but were not totally destroyed. MJ and I were chatting about Dreams, and we also felt that it would be easier to repair. I guess there's something that we don't know or understand about the situation there.
Carol, as far as the AOTs are concerned, my understanding is that the Five Stars had them, but that the operators were leasing from the original owner of the AOT. Apparently that isn't allowed, which is what happened with Bikini. Again, just heresay; so take it all for what it's worth.
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 12:45 PM
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Yes, Five Stars were subleasing from holder of AOT. With Bikini, Elisa found that the AOT holder had let the AOT lapse, she filed for an AOT, should have received it, the prior holder somehow got ahead of her in line, and there was some of that interesting stuff that happens on the island. The Prefet supported the prior holder of the AOT, and Elisa basically was thrown off the beach. Elisa had some partial wins but basically could not keep the fight going and had to give up. (Although I am trying to give factual story, I am biased in favor of Elisa in the matter.)
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 02:58 PM
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I am not privy to any of Bruno's finances, but Dreams made a LOT of money. It could be that he decided not to rebuild at that location because the beach is not great there, but it was very busy, especially on the weekends..
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
[Re: Chuck_Morton]
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10/09/2017 08:02 PM
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Agreed, the beach was not the draw, but the food and atmosphere. I do hope Bruno starts it back up somewhere.
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/09/2017 09:55 PM
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Carol_Hill said: I do hope Bruno starts it back up somewhere. And I hope it's on Anse Marcel. That would be the best combination ever!
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/10/2017 05:41 PM
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Dreams will be missed by many, but particularly by those of us who stay on that side of the island. It might not have had the best beach but it was usually doable and for those of us on that end of the island, it was an easy drive as opposed to going all the way to Ans de Peres (Friars) or the Ans Marcel Beach Club or even Orient Beach, and having to wend ones way through the Marigot traffic. Dreams wasn’t an everyday stop for us but it sure was a great place to enjoy a wonderful repast and a delightful day. It will definitely be missed.
Maybe Bruno will reconsider when he has a chance to get his other businesses settled and perhaps, as previously suggested, he might even find a better beach spot, too. Can you just imagine a place like Dreams with the beautiful furnishings and service along with the incredible food and libations and on this side of the island? Sounds like shear heaven to me..........<img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/10/2017 08:44 PM
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Part of the charm about Dreams, not counting the great food, menu, furnishings and Bruno himself along with his always pleasant staff, was the ease in getting there and the more than adequate parking. I can’t think of any other area on the French side beyond the known and already developed (and hopefully to be redeveloped) areas that offer these last two options. And I’m sure you’re right - he probably does want to keep all his holdings limited to one set of governing powers and ordinances. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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pat
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/16/2017 07:12 AM
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Exactly, Pat. Dreams became our go-to beach many days, especially when there were a lot of cruise ships in port. It was easy to get to, had plenty of parking, and of course, the elegance of every one of Bruno's establishments. Bruno has posted on Facebook that his lease there was cancelled; so he definitely won't be back in that same location, unless something changes.
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
[Re: Carol_Hill]
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10/19/2017 11:40 PM
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I agree with you Carol, Dreams made a lot of money. We went there almost every day in February for the past 4 years and the restaurant was always packed for lunch. We would make reservations for lunch every morning or would have difficulty getting a table. This past February, we started going for dinner the nights they had music and again they were always crowded. We will miss Dreams so much...the thought of not going to Dreams when we return to SXM in 2019 is sooo difficult. I’m almost in denial thinking it’s not possible and we will be back on the beach relaxing and enjoying the music and food;-((((
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Re: Dreams, Petit Casino, Yellow Sub
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10/25/2017 09:13 AM
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Will be interested to hear if you find out anything else. Dreams is a huge loss. Great location for us, close to the Dutch side.
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