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Re: a date mentioned
[Re: sleepychef]
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06/23/2020 01:27 PM
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I am all booked for 11/4 -14, 3 night pre charter and then DYC cabin........rescheduled from July 4th week.. Looking hopeful!
I am hoping my flights go off, as I am supposed to fly SJU to EIS via Seaborne..... I saw something on another thread about them stopping service.....
So very excited and hopeful that we can begin to travel again safely for everyone...
Toast.......to Life; White Bay...heaven on earth. Diane
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Re: a date mentioned
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06/24/2020 09:48 AM
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No, there was not a big spike after Heineken. Most locals blamed most of the cases that were on SXM on returning locals, returning from Europe and North America, including students.
Carol Hill
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Re: a date mentioned
[Re: sleepychef]
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06/24/2020 04:31 PM
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Interline Regatta does not bring big money into the BVI economy, thats the BVI Spring Regatta that does that. Money is not the driving factor in opening the borders of the BVI. Don't fool your self. In the not too distant future money will become the driving factor in reopening or not. The UK has its own serious financial and political problems and is unlikely to bail out the BVI. Loss of virtually all tourist revenue for 6-9 months coupled with the recent and future losses of banking revenue could bankrupt the BVI government in short order. The government's ability to pay the financing on its considerable debt while paying the bloated salaries of too many government employees, repair outdated infrastructure and pay consultants to plan for the airport expansion is just not there. When you have an Irmamaria occurrence there is devastation but eventually insurance money flows in and there is rebuilding which puts people to work and generates tax revenue. Even if the BVI opened 10/31/20 the tourists are not going to rush back. Some charterers will come back and some villas will get rented. There is no insurance to offset the loss of revenue as there was after Irmamaria. Sorry to be gloomy but small countries with economies based on tourism are facing some rough times ahead.
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Re: a date mentioned
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06/25/2020 08:36 AM
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Interline Regatta does not bring big money into the BVI economy, thats the BVI Spring Regatta that does that. Money is not the driving factor in opening the borders of the BVI. Don't fool your self. In the not too distant future money will become the driving factor in reopening or not. The UK has its own serious financial and political problems and is unlikely to bail out the BVI. Loss of virtually all tourist revenue for 6-9 months coupled with the recent and future losses of banking revenue could bankrupt the BVI government in short order. The government's ability to pay the financing on its considerable debt while paying the bloated salaries of too many government employees, repair outdated infrastructure and pay consultants to plan for the airport expansion is just not there. When you have an Irmamaria occurrence there is devastation but eventually insurance money flows in and there is rebuilding which puts people to work and generates tax revenue. Even if the BVI opened 10/31/20 the tourists are not going to rush back. Some charterers will come back and some villas will get rented. There is no insurance to offset the loss of revenue as there was after Irmamaria. Sorry to be gloomy but small countries with economies based on tourism are facing some rough times ahead. I wholeheartedly agree with this. As a land based traveler to the BVI, specifically Peter's island, we are very anxious to get back down there. But wearing a mask for 7-8 hours of travel time is extremely unappealing.
Go Irish!!
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Re: a date mentioned
[Re: sleepychef]
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06/25/2020 09:03 AM
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Money is not the driving factor in opening the borders of the BVI. Really? I would think that it would be, at some point. That seems an odd thing to write, for someone that lives on island and depends on tourism, to a great extent.
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Re: a date mentioned
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06/25/2020 09:21 AM
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Money is not the driving factor in opening the borders of the BVI. Really? I would think that it would be, at some point. That seems an odd thing to write, for someone that lives on island and depends on tourism, to a great extent. I think it’s just the fact that they’ve been so much more cautious in allowing even residents to return as compared to other Carib nations that there is credit due there for not rushing back for those tourism $$$... Once open I hope those visiting do follow the safety protocols (while traveling and when on island) to help keep the islands open and safe...
"Travel changes you. As you move through this life and this world you change things slightly, you leave marks behind, however small. And in return, life — and travel — leaves marks on you.” -Anthony Bourdain
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Re: a date mentioned
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06/25/2020 09:34 AM
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I agree there certainly needs to be a balance, but the BVI government often just seems to act like they don't care whether tourists come or not, as they seem to always be enacting new taxes, rules, etc, regardless of the effect on tourism.
Carol Hill
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Re: a date mentioned
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06/25/2020 02:12 PM
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Malcolm, so many of us feel way! Normally we would have bought tickets by now, which would be foolish.
What's more, when they mention allowing folks back in, they don't even include homeowners - who may spend six months in the BVI! They talk about boat charters, villa rentals, cruise ships - what about people who bought properties, spent big money to restore them post Irma and can't use them?
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Re: a date mentioned
[Re: sleepychef]
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06/25/2020 02:35 PM
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The statement I made was about SXM allowing a regatta to go ahead for money. The BVI will not open if not ready for Interline as it bring hardly any revenue to the BVI. Moorings is not a BVI company.
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Re: a date mentioned
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06/25/2020 02:44 PM
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Sorry?? You said "Money is not the driving factor in opening the borders of the BVI." That statement seems fairly clear.
Carol Hill
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Re: a date mentioned
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06/25/2020 04:12 PM
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I think tourists from within the US need to hope and pray that the population here smartens up to realize how necessary are all their efforts to contain the current coronavirus. The EU is seriously considering halting ALL tourism from the US, due to the persistent growth of transmission in places where personal responsibility has been abandoned.
The BVI government has successfully kept COVID-19 from being pandemic in their islands. We in the US should be so fortunate. The reasons the BVI was able to control the Covid is the same reasons they can formulate a plan to reopen. They are literally an island, have one government and can effectively control their borders as there are limited entry points. Other Caribbean governments are reopening or at least have a plan to reopen. The tourism stakeholders are losing patience with the government https://www.bvibeacon.com/hospitality-industry-demands-border-info/
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Re: a date mentioned
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06/25/2020 07:34 PM
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Carol, to your question of what does have to do with BVI? I was making the point that Hawaii has been closed to visitors like BVI but now they are willing to let visitors in with a clean Covid test. Seems reasonable.
There will never be an n of (0) for Covid or any flu and to think that is possible will mean closing everything and and everyone into their homes forever. Vaccine will help but how many of you reading this post got a flu shot this year? Last year? Probably the same number of people who will not want the vaccine. I agree. There is no magic wand coming. A vaccine if developed is years away from being effective. Unless the virus mutates and dies off we will be living with it for a long time. The BVI needs to learn to live with that reality. If the BVI wants tourism they have to plan for some infections in the local population. Testing and tracing plus beef up the hospital's ability to respond by adding ventilators.
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Re: a date mentioned
[Re: sleepychef]
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06/26/2020 12:48 PM
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Smaller companies are doing cheaper Staycation rates don't know how it affects owners revenue.
TMM have Seatiger out she is moored in front of The Wonky Dog now.
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Re: a date mentioned
[Re: sleepychef]
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06/26/2020 12:50 PM
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Insuring what? That's just a ridiculous amount of money for insurance. Is that specific Corona Virus insurance? My understanding is that there technically is not a commercially available insurance that covers Corona virus. Aruba has developed insurance which covers Corona and quarantine and medically necessary evac (but I'm not sure what else it covers, if anything). It is $15 per person, per day.
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Re: a date mentioned
[Re: sleepychef]
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06/26/2020 12:58 PM
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Carol, that may be CFAR insurance. It has always been expensive, and I'm sure is getting more so. It would cover the prepaid expenses (charter, villa rental, airfare, etc.) if you were not allowed to travel because you had a fever.
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