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WestJet Aborted Landing/Updated Explaination
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Somebody mentioned this the other day. Tuesday there was a lot of rain, clouds and wind and I knew there was a 2nd landing attempt as I thought it was posted. This may be some embellishment of what happened but I am sure someone staying in the Maho area posted about WestJet aborting a landing the other day. WestJet
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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It was Sheila who saw it and mentioned it on facebook.
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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A few years ago we had 'one of those landings' on an AA flight from JFK. We were sitting way up front and watching out the window and we both commented we thought our position for landing was way off and as we actually neared the Maho area, the pilot powered up and did a go-round. It had happened one other time so we weren't too worried.
Back again and all lined up and we can see the faces of the fence hangers as we're coming in and at what seemed like a quarter of the way down the runway, we did another up, up and away and another big circle.
By this time, there was almost dead silence on the plane and not word one from the crew. Thank God, the third time was a charm, for more reasons than one.
We were later told by someone who actually watched this all happening from the Sunset Beach Bar that had the pilot not made it in to land on the third attempt we were then bound for Puerto Rico. I don't know if that last is fact or fiction but I want to tell you, it was one very scary arrival and I don't think we were ever as low over the water as that plane in question appears to be in the photo posted. His reaction was, "Oh my God! You were on that flight? We were all praying for you....." I didn't think it was quite thaaaat bad but I was somewhat worried too. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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Wow! It looks a lot worse in the video!! Glad all turned out well in the end. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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03/11/2017 01:26 PM
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I was watching it live. A big truck (garbage truck?) was passing the fence at the same time and he slammed the brakes on. I think they scared each other! Then they shut the runway down for a bit. Glad it all worked out safely!
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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Yes and she posted on her personal facebook page about as it was happening. I knew I had seen it mentioned by someone I knew.
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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PelicanPirate said: The article states what I would say as a pilot, a go around is nothing to be ashamed of if things aren't right. Luckily they recognized it and executed the go around. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> Don't jets have a system to detect actual altitude instead of an altimeter?
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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Sheila was at Royal Island and saw it in person and we talked about it at the TTOL party last Wed. The weather that day was really bad considering the time of year. Visibility was very poor with low clouds, fog and off and on rain with wind. A landing is not usually aborted unless something dictates the need.
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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So, I just checked for TNCM, the real code for SXM and there are no precision instrument approaches for SXM. The VOR, the little round radio station on the ground near the runway and the casino is called PJM. In this case they would shoot the VOR approach to PJM or a GPS approach, which doesn't have a true ground generated glideslope to the runway.
Often private instrument pilots will descend through the clouds down to the MDA, minimum descent altitude, hoping to see the ground and some cue of the runway and then they limp it in from there. If they don't see runway they are obligated to declare a missed approach and go around.
If the weather was very poor as ruralcarrier said, then they may of been on the edge of very good job.
Many airaft today can generate an artificial glideslope from gps with a gps augmentation system called (WAAS). Have no idea if Westjet has it onboard. If they did, it didn't work well enough in that weather if it was turbulent.
I'm seeing some instrument proficiency simulator time for the crew. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif" alt="" />
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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GaKaye said: Well, that certainly should silence the naysayers. Definitely not photoshopped or faked in any way. Scary stuff. Just curious........naysayer's of what?
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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Mentions elsewhere of this being photoshopped and possibly embellished, as I mentioned previously.
It was very poor weather conditions that day and they deteriorated into the afternoon. I was there and for the time of year, one of the overall worst days (not in hurricane season) I have experienced over many years of visits.
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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SXMBND said:GaKaye said: Well, that certainly should silence the naysayers. Definitely not photoshopped or faked in any way. Scary stuff. Just curious........naysayer's of what? I saw posts here and on Facebook where people said the original photos were photoshopped and that the story was exaggerated.
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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Actually, I didn't see anyone here who said the photos were photoshopped. I really have no idea whether the plane was ever in any real danger, but it would have made me nervous, if I was watching it or freaked out if I were onboard!!
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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The still picture may be photoshopped to add blue to the photo, maybe. Regardless the plane was way too low, as shown by the video, and as several people saw, including some here on TTOL.
With regard to keeping box trucks off that road, you know where that road goes to, don't you???? That's the ONLY way to access Sunset, Alegria, etc., and I don't know, roughly 200 houses, so about the only way for many deliveries. Box trucks aren't any taller than busses, and there are a bunch of busses that go to Sunset.
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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Carol_Hill said: ...........With regard to keeping box trucks off that road, you know where that road goes to, don't you???? That's the ONLY way to access Sunset, Alegria, etc., and I don't know, roughly 200 houses, so about the only way for many deliveries. Box trucks aren't any taller than busses, and there are a bunch of busses that go to Sunset. I have often wondered to myself why they don't cede a little of the MB side of the runway and create some kind of an emergency access to that whole area. I realize there's not a lot of undeveloped space and places like BSV and Karakter wouldn't appreciate a taking of land any more than the airport would but I often think and worry about what might happen if there was a real emergency requiring large vehicles access on a big scale. There I go again - I'm definitely a 'what iffer' ....... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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I really don't think there is any way to do that, unless they were to put a road literally on the beach there outside the airport fence after Karakter and then move the fence in a little bit to join up the road to the road outside Beachside. That would cost the earth and be an engineering nightmare..
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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I guess, but it seems like the possible safety of so many homes and residences back there would make an emergency only access road more important than some of the ways the government spends their dollars.
Just a thought...... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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I missed them, I guess.. Doesn't matter, as Rob from sxmblue today said he didn't believe the original article. To me, the video is much more damning than the still picture anyway.
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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For what it is worth, Forbes and others (yahoo for one) are now linking to this also. Forbes
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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GaKaye said:SXMBND said:GaKaye said: Well, that certainly should silence the naysayers. Definitely not photoshopped or faked in any way. Scary stuff. Just curious........naysayer's of what? I saw posts here and on Facebook where people said the original photos were photoshopped and that the story was exaggerated. Ok.......I saw that link on another site...that one was obviously photo shopped....and pretty funny I might add. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> If I come across it again I'll post it up here for a good laugh. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: WestJet Aborted Landing
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GaKaye said: Sorry, I didn't see a photoshopped shot, nor did I refer to one. Nothing funny about this almost tragic situation. "I saw posts here and on Facebook where people said the original photos were photoshopped and that the story was exaggerated." My reference to "being funny" was obviously referring to the photo shopped version.
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