Well, I certainly agree with you there, especially when you often add in alcohol in the mix! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Crazy.gif" alt="" /> My feeling is that many people on vacation from the US and elsewhere, if there is a tip already included on the bill, they still tip an additional 15% or whatever, on top, because they simply don't pay attention. Restaurant owners know that, so to ME, adding an auto tip, they HOPE to deceive the customer into tipping twice, or at least, they know it's a real good possibility and they're perfectly fine with that. Just sayin'..