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#23869 12/08/2013 10:05 PM
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We will be stopping off on a cruise in St. Thomas on Christmas Day and was wondering if anyone has any ideas of what will and what will not be open?

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Virtually everything will be open. It's high season six ships in that day. The better question is where can I get out of the crowds. Six ships will put 20 to 30 thousand visitors on island only 50 thousand live here.

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Allure of the Seas
Crown Bay
Carnival Conquest
West Indian Co.
Norwegian Epic
West Indian Co.
Norwegian Sun
Anchorage
Royal Princess
West Indian Co.
Westerdam
Crown Bay

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Some restaurants, especially family-owned, will be closed. Shops, attractions and day sails will be open. Busy, busy, busy! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />


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Was Havensite renamed?

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It has always been West Indian Company -- Havensight was the name chosen for the shopping area after it was converted from warehouses when the container port opened and the area switched from warehouse to retail.

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Thanks to all for responses. I was unaware of the number of ships that will be in port that day. Cant wait to get out of the winter weather here in the northeast!

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refer to it as you wish, it's been Havensite for the 30 years I have been going to USVI. I never never heard of anyone referring to it as West Indian Company. BTW, what's the company <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />

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It is and always has been the West Indian Company Dock. Havensight is the mall adjacent to the dock.

In 1912 a group of Danish business men, led by Mr. Hans. N. Andersen, acted on a grant by the Danish Crown to set up business in St. Thomas, partly to support the island’s economy. They saw the viability with the opening of the Panama Canal that it would be a business for bunkering coal on a larges scale. The East Asiatic Company a joint-stock company was formed in December of 1912 and called that venture The West Indian Company Limited.
The President and Department Heads were from Denmark. They were housed on the property known as Beltjens Road, Ross Estate which were part of The West Indian Company holdings. All of the buildings had names such as: Villa Epsilon, Villa Gama Delta, Villa Apha Beta, Villa Orient, Villa Marion & Villa Iota. Other properties included but not limited to the Vitraco area with had a large building that housed the power plant. That building extended to the main road, east of Paul M. Pearson Gardens
The area from Pueblo in Estate Thomas along where Al Cohen Mall is located in Estate Thomas, up the hill as far as the Tramway, Estate Liverpool all the property on the WICO dock, the property known as Denmark Hill in Estate Catherinesberg. The West Indian Company also had holdings in St. Croix in trade and commerce.
Electricity was introduced in the late 1914 in St. Thomas with a corporate status and by 1915 WICO began providing power to the small community in Charlotte Amalie.
In 1917 the United States of America purchased the Islands for twenty five million dollars. By now the population grew it was impractical for a growing community to be services by the small DC plant. A local company succeeded WICO in providing power to the community.
A ninety-nine year concession was granted to the consortium to own, reclaim, dredge and dam areas of St. Thomas Harbor. The company also had the right to charge wharfage and warehouse fees, construct floating docks, erect fuel storage tanks, provide pilot services, erect lighthouses, establish electric and power plant and other project
In the earlier years the West Indian Company’s coal bunkering business was very profitable and by 1929 it reached a peak when 135,000 tons of coal was sold to approximately 500 vessels. Women played a major role in unloading the coal from the vessels. In 1952 the company eventually discontinued coal bunkering.
The Directors had the vision that another form of fuel would take the place of coal and in 1914 erected two fuel tanks to accommodate the vision. In 1920 the economy of oil
burning vessels for long range shipping presented the opportunity and the company
accepted the agency to be the main supplier for Esso Standard bunker oil. Other products
sold were tires, batteries and other automobile accessories. In 1931 a third tank was
erected with an overall capacity of 22,000 tons of fuel.
1936 Mr. Andersen saw tourism as another business venture and opened the first tourist
shop in St. Thomas and called it “Maison Danois” from the French meaning “Danish
House”.
In that same year The West Indian Company purchased K.C. Bay in St. John and
constructed seven building on seven beaches and called the development Caneel Bay.
This made way for ferry service between St. Thomas and St. John which was operated by
West Indian Company.
At some point Virgin Islanders were factored in as Managers or Board Members of the
West Indian Company. The names that come to mind are: Mr. Auguste Rimple Sr., Dr.
John S. Moorehead, Mr. Calvin Wheatley now deceased and Mr. Louis Greaux who
retired from the company in 1997.
1941 WICO became the bauxite transshipment point. The Titan Cranes that were used for
loading the coal came in handy for this venture. One problem developed. The bauxite was
a light material and on windy days the dust would blow into the city and there were
constant complaints about contamination of the harbor and cistern water.
The West Indian Company was agent for many consumer products to include and not
limited to building materials, Plumrose products, Carlsberg Beer, Sexton products,
SunQuik juices just to name a few.
Tourism grew by leaps and bounds and in 1962 that industry became the main-stay. The
West Indian company was agent for most of the cruise line that came to these shores.
With the increase of ships and shipment the mantle was passed on from Mr. Andersen
and a vision to create gift shops from warehouses on the premises took center stage.
Cargo vessels came from as far as Germany, England, Greece and France with
merchandise for the stores.
Regular repairs and extensions were necessary to accommodate the Roll-off Roll-on
vessels that came with containers. The first two Roll-off Roll-on container vessels were
the M/V “Gardenia” and the M/V “Begonia”. At present the dock at the West Indian
Company is 2,875 ft. long.
In 1979 the M/S “Angelina Lauro” caught fire while in port at the West Indian Company
dock. Fortunately no lives were lost and no one was seriously injured.
In 1993 The West Indian Company was sold to the Government of the Virgin Islands
under the direction of Governor Alexander Farrelly. This acquisition was and is a very
economical venture for the people of the Virgin Islands. The sale was sealed on June 30, 1993 at a purchase price of $54. million dollars. To diversify, the mall was sold to the Government Employees’ Retirement System for $32 million. The Public Finance Authority acquired the dock area.
Mr. Hans Jahn was president of the West Indian Company under the East Asiatic Company (WICO) at the time of the sale and facilitated the transition on the sale. He stayed on with Mr. Thomas on a good faith measure as to the working of the company.
Mr. Edward E. Thomas became President and Chief Executive Officer of the now government municipality owned WICO. He managed the property from July 1993 until July 2010. Under his leadership many mega cruise vessels came to the Virgin Islands shores. The West Indian Company boasts of having one of the best cruise ship ports in the Caribbean. The infrastructure is well maintained. In 1998-1999 a breasting dolphin and a mooring buoy was added to the west of the dock extension. At present the dock can accommodate 3 large ships or four smaller vessels.
The West Indian company is a catalyst for improvement of business ventures and youth opportunity. It is one of the best supporters of community educational activities. This is done with the Youth Summer Program especially in the hospitality field.
The West Indian Company has a Board of directors. Mr. Joseph Boschulte joined the staff as President and CEO in May 2012. Mrs. Andrea Smith is Chief Financial Officer
The company has a staff of 76 employees.
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WICO Dock

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Thanks Capt Jay - far better researched and informative than my simple explanation. I know when I moved here, more than 30 yrs. ago, it wasn't a retail area and wasn't yet called Havensight Mall and then and now the pier has always been referred to as the WICO Dock.

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way too much information, just joking around, gheez <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />

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refer to it as you wish, it's been Havensite for the 30 years I have been going to USVI. I never never heard of anyone referring to it as West Indian Company. BTW, what's the company <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />


Add me to the list of residents that call it WICO, which is the abbreviation typically used. Tourists usually call it Havensite. I know where they are talking about.

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Yup, have definitely heard it referred to as WICO. Never really knew what that stood for though. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Smile.gif" alt="" />


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Great info Jay ! We always called it the WICO Dock in the 70's

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In the late 70s definitely the WICO docks, but when we charted our first boat we stayed at the Ramada Inn Havensight the night before.

That pink hotel is now gone too.


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OK guys welcome to 2013-2014, it's Havensite in the Daily News, travel guides, cruise line info, and to most of the general public, Havensite.

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Yep it is, but I still listen to the Beatles
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Evan: It's HavenSIGHT, but the dock is the West Indian Co. Dock. When you drive out of Havensight toward the Reef, you will see a small building on your right that says "West Indian Co." They have one of the most beautiful flamboyant trees on St Thomas. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />


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OK guys welcome to 2013-2014, it's Havensite in the Daily News, travel guides, cruise line info, and to most of the general public, Havensite.


The VI Daily News also indicated that the Club Med II was in Cruz Bay on Tuesday. Do you believe it was actually in Cruz Bay? Don't believe what you read and only half of what you see. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
Last tourist brochure I saw indicated it was always sunny and the roads are great. That's when I stopped reading...

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You bring back good memories CaptainJay

Dutch West Indian Dock.

We were in St Thomas in July 1979 on the NCL MS Skyward.

I have pictures of the Angelina Lauro still moored at the dock for quite awhile after it caught fire.

Quite a wake up call as to what can happen to a ship in a fire. Buckled sides from the heat, char from all the portholes.

That was also the time when the WIC wharf warehouses were just getting converted into the over the top tourist game full swing. I can still see the Marlboro cartons. Trying to get that last buck before you walked back on the boat.

I miss the days when all that stuff was gone and you were left to the small shops. I still have a digital analog Seiko I bought that trip. And Sparky's liquor shop.

I miss those days --- it is all too overblown at many cruise stops. Grand Turk comes too mind -- makes me feel like I'm in a Disney Gift shop/Sam's Club.

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Pelican: It was a group of Danes that started this West Indian company, not associated with the Dutch company.


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If we were stopping there on a cruise, the first thing we'd do is get a taxi to Red Hook and head over to St. John <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />

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If we were stopping there on a cruise, the first thing we'd do is get a taxi to Red Hook and head over to St. John <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />


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Perhaps the experienced cruise ship traveler who has already visited St Thomas and seen the beautiful mountain scenery,the architecture and historic Main St. district of Charlotte Amalie,Coral World, Mountain Top, Magens,Coki,Sapphire,Lindqvist,or some of the other beach areas,wandered amidst the many stores offering unique and luxury items,enjoyed some of the island restaurants and seen more of St Thomas than the safari bus ride to the ferry dock would benefit greatly from skipping the St Thomas attractions and touring the National Park beaches in St John - the time spent making the trek there and back is not inconsiderable for the 6-8 hours that the ship is docked and the natural beauty is uncontested but for the many 1st time cruisers the suggestion to avoid St Thomas and the many attractions is unfair and one-sided.

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well said <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" />

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Here Here LocalSailor! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" />

[color:"blue"]“Though we travel the world over to find the beautiful, we must carry it with us or we find it not.” - Emerson[/color]

STT has a whole lot to offer, if one ventures out to explore.


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The area has always been Havensight. The dock happens to be in Havensight. The mall was named for the area it is in.

PS. It's pronounced Haavensight.


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So true but you just planted the seed of doom for St John <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />

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PS. It's pronounced Haavensight.


And here all these years I thought it was pronounced the "dahk"!!!! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />


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The area has always been Havensight. The dock happens to be in Havensight. The mall was named for the area it is in.

PS. It's pronounced Haavensight.


You're correct but I prefer Haagen Das <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />


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