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Re: Boatyball
[Re: warren460]
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05/21/2019 03:16 PM
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CestLaVie
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How many horses do we have to beat to death to end this endless discussion?
Sailing is not a matter of life and death-it is more important than that
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: CestLaVie]
#195510
05/21/2019 03:54 PM
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Kirk
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How many horses do we have to beat to death to end this endless discussion? I'm pretty sure participation is optional...be it mooring balls or threads.
Kirk in Maryland
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: Lcrich]
#195522
05/21/2019 08:43 PM
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Three times recently I tried to go to Cooper Island with a boat full for lunch. What I found was that there were no fcfs balls but plenty of Boaty Balls open. So needless to say Cooper Island did not get our business those days. In the case of Cooper Island, that does a big lunch business, you would think that they would realize that for every ball that is not occupied during lunch hours means business lost. Those days put a bad spin on Boaty Balls for me.
Jim Sailmoby II
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: captmoby]
#195526
05/21/2019 09:50 PM
05/21/2019 09:50 PM
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Three times recently I tried to go to Cooper Island with a boat full for lunch. What I found was that there were no fcfs balls but plenty of Boaty Balls open. So needless to say Cooper Island did not get our business those days. In the case of Cooper Island, that does a big lunch business, you would think that they would realize that for every ball that is not occupied during lunch hours means business lost. Those days put a bad spin on Boaty Balls for me.
I thought I saw a past post that stated the BB balls were ok to use during the day for a lunch stop like that? Check out is say 11am, check in 2/3pm? That leaves a window where it is unreserved and usable?
Matt
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: Kirk]
#195537
05/22/2019 06:34 AM
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In all my trips down, I've only had internet on a boat once (which we had to pay a lot for due to a work issue.) Is it pretty standard now that all boats have internet access? .\ TMM Charters has Internet on all boats.... No extra charge! Go TMM!
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: maytrix]
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05/22/2019 03:59 PM
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Three times recently I tried to go to Cooper Island with a boat full for lunch. What I found was that there were no fcfs balls but plenty of Boaty Balls open. So needless to say Cooper Island did not get our business those days. In the case of Cooper Island, that does a big lunch business, you would think that they would realize that for every ball that is not occupied during lunch hours means business lost. Those days put a bad spin on Boaty Balls for me.
I thought I saw a past post that stated the BB balls were ok to use during the day for a lunch stop like that? Check out is say 11am, check in 2/3pm? That leaves a window where it is unreserved and usable? Can somebody confirm this please. If I come into Cooper or anywhere else that has Boatty Balls that we can use the empty ones until 2:00 PM regardless if the reserving boat shows and wants it? I always thought that Boatty Balls were a result of to much salt water/moisture and chafing that usually required some medication. Jim
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: BoatyBall]
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05/23/2019 11:09 PM
05/23/2019 11:09 PM
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... The reservations are from noon to noon. This was a change that we made based off of feedback from both the mooring ball owners and boaters. BB: I am late getting into this thread, so I apologize if these questions have already been asked and answered: Question 1: How does this impact / solve the "stop for lunch" issue? Many / most boats leave a mooring before 10:00 am. Suppose I show up at Cooper at 11:30 am and want to stop for a couple of hours for lunch. I see empty 6 BB moorings. May I use those for my lunch stop? If I do, how do I know that someone with a reservation won't show up at 12:30 pm and wonder why I am on the ball he or she has reserved? Question 2: If one of the goals of BB is to help boaters avoid or eliminate the necessity to "rush for a ball", won't those with a reservation most likely show up after 3:00 pm? If so, why does the reservation run from noon to noon?
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: aarpskier]
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05/23/2019 11:27 PM
05/23/2019 11:27 PM
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warren460
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Let’s see what Alec says.
My understanding is that you cannot use the BB for a lunch stop, a stop to fill dive tanks or a quick visit to the gift shop. The ball might be reserved and such party could show up at any time, or the ball might be unreserved when you arrive and could be booked during your short stop by a party that just showed up.
Last edited by warren460; 05/23/2019 11:28 PM.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: BoatyBall]
#195750
05/24/2019 06:04 AM
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captmoby
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So whats a person that doesn't have internet service supposed to do?
Jim Sailmoby II
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: captmoby]
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05/24/2019 06:10 AM
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So whats a person that doesn't have internet service supposed to do?
Having internet is nice! Can check weather. Can check emails. Don't have to, but CAN. Having WiFi give you Option of reserving BoatyBall! (Warren has WiFi on Scuba Doo, but exercises his option to NOT use BoatyBall. On Sea Tiger I option to reserve BoatyBall sometimes. But we both agree that WiFi is nice to have) ALL TMM Charter boats come with FREE WiFi. So perhaps you charter a boat in TMM fleet ;-)
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: Lcrich]
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05/24/2019 06:38 AM
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warren460
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Actually Wes, the rate should be below $30 because the owner of the ball saves the cost of collecting the mooring fees.
The ball owner has to pay cc fees, but that should be their issue. I don’t mind the cash and the cc card company can’t block your use of cash for suspicious activity. Cash does not require a pin or get compromised. The are no foreign currency fees with cash as there are with cc.
I hope that the owner still allow payment to the guys in the dinghy. I enjoy chatting with them. Everything in an app is to impersonal.
Last edited by warren460; 05/24/2019 06:42 AM.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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05/24/2019 08:24 AM
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GeorgeC1 - We have had a few people share concerns about the shape of the new moorings and the potential for damage. However, there has been no reports that the new moorings actually damaged a boat. We do not own the moorings but we do pass along any reports we hear to them. One plus of the app is that it is easy for boaters to notify us of any issues so we can help track issues and pass along.
Last edited by BoatyBall; 05/24/2019 09:23 AM.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: captmoby]
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05/24/2019 09:21 AM
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So whats a person that doesn't have internet service supposed to do?
Cross your fingers and good luck getting a FCFS ball. If more balls are being converted to BB and no new balls are being added, it’s either bite the bullet and pay for WiFi or cellular service (my international plan was $10/day only when I used it), or join the rat race of trying to snag a FCFS. Which means getting there earlier in the day and spending less time on the water. I felt like several of our stops two weeks ago we were seeing all balls taken by 1pm, mainly Great Harbour JVD, Anegada and Leverick. We basically prioritized every morning being underway early and hoping we could get a ball when we arrived. Certainly took away from being able to spend more time on the water sailing! I think next trip we will try hitting our stops on different days of the week than we have in the past to avoid the hot spots on their typical busy days.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: BoatyBall]
#195776
05/24/2019 09:58 AM
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Kirk
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Are those local restaurants open for the 7:00am BoatyBall reservation race?
Kirk in Maryland
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: Kirk]
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05/24/2019 10:00 AM
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Alec Atteberry
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Are those local restaurants open for the 7:00am BoatyBall reservation race? Why would they need to be?
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: Alec Atteberry]
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05/24/2019 10:10 AM
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Kirk
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Are those local restaurants open for the 7:00am BoatyBall reservation race? Why would they need to be? Um, because it was suggested to go grab a cup of coffee at them to use the wifi thats needed to make a reservation on BoatyBalls.
Kirk in Maryland
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: Lcrich]
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05/24/2019 04:26 PM
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I have said this before. The BB controversy will diminish when the Irma damage is repaired. There was a shortage of moorings this high season which was the first with a “normal” number of boats post Irma. We were down in late February. I have never seen so many boats racing to Anegada at 9am. The lack of Willy T at the Bight. BEYC closed, Saba closed, Marina Cay limping, Trellis limping, Little Harbor limping, WE limping. In my 29 years of boating in the BVI Cooper was always an after thought. Now because they are open they are the bell of the ball. Everyone wants a piece. Not me, service there has almost always sucked. Two years from now BB will be a service some use. But many will opt not to pay the premium. Gotta play the long game and not get your panties in a bunch.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: BoatyBall]
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05/24/2019 04:28 PM
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captmoby
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Boatyball , Please name some local restaurants that are open at 7:00am that have free wifi.
Jim Sailmoby II
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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05/24/2019 04:32 PM
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BB, do you have any plans to change the style and type of ball so it won’t damage the underside of cats? G Actually changing the style of the mooring ball isn’t going to make the chafing and banging of the hull any different. When your moored there’s usually a breeze to keep the pennant taught and if the wind dies out you’ll be at mercy to the currents and regardless of the mooring shape it’s going to bang against the hull.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: NCSailor]
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05/24/2019 04:49 PM
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I have said this before. The BB controversy will diminish when the Irma damage is repaired. There was a shortage of moorings this high season which was the first with a “normal” number of boats post Irma. We were down in late February. I have never seen so many boats racing to Anegada at 9am. The lack of Willy T at the Bight. BEYC closed, Saba closed, Marina Cay limping, Trellis limping, Little Harbor limping, WE limping. In my 29 years of boating in the BVI Cooper was always an after thought. Now because they are open they are the bell of the ball. Everyone wants a piece. Not me, service there has almost always sucked. Two years from now BB will be a service some use. But many will opt not to pay the premium. Gotta play the long game and not get your panties in a bunch. You’re last paragraph should read: Two years from now BB will have total control of BB and FCFS mooring balls and will then talk with the BVI National Parks to make it illegal to destroy the Turtle grass in the mooring fields and therefore NO anchoring will be permitted.
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: Christo]
#195824
05/24/2019 05:02 PM
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Currently watching a fight between a large sportfisher (who seems to have reserved one of the boatyballs) and a Moorings monohull who was refusing to move.
Has been going on for a while now. Sportfisher just upped the ante by ramming them in reverse (with the Moorings dinghy as a cushion between the two so he didn't damage his Sportfisher).
Now Moorings has moved...but dropped anchor within half a boat length of the boatyball...perhaps as a protest...perhaps they just don't know how to anchor.
And now a third monohull is trying to pick up the boatyball. Two ribs and a centre-console also somehow involved.
I'm confused as to who the good-guys are now!
Wow...at Great Harbour? Dont know who they good guy is but we all know who is the bad "guy" In February I moored at the east end of that mooring field only to have someone come and anchor in 30 feet of water east of me and swing into me that night and then had to deal with drunk winch they left on the boat to go to Foxys. send video...:)
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Re: Boatyball
[Re: bailau]
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05/24/2019 05:20 PM
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Currently watching a fight between a large sportfisher (who seems to have reserved one of the boatyballs) and a Moorings monohull who was refusing to move.
Has been going on for a while now. Sportfisher just upped the ante by ramming them in reverse (with the Moorings dinghy as a cushion between the two so he didn't damage his Sportfisher).
Now Moorings has moved...but dropped anchor within half a boat length of the boatyball...perhaps as a protest...perhaps they just don't know how to anchor.
And now a third monohull is trying to pick up the boatyball. Two ribs and a centre-console also somehow involved.
I'm confused as to who the good-guys are now!
Wow...at Great Harbour? Dont know who they good guy is but we all know who is the bad "guy" In February I moored at the east end of that mooring field only to have someone come and anchor in 30 feet of water east of me and swing into me that night and then had to deal with drunk winch they left on the boat to go to Foxys. send video...:) You will think I am exaggerating but the Moorings boat has now attempted anchoring over 15 times. Has hit 3 boats and been fended off numerous others. They are still at it... From my end of the binoculars it appears that they understand how much chain to put out but seem to think that the boat will remain exactly where it was when you started to drop the anchor...they have now headed into the shallows toward Foxy's so I suspect they may soon find a different way of fixing the boat to the seabed. A different fight on another boatyball has just concluded. The evicted monohul is also now circling around trying to find somewhere to anchor. And...have just dropped right in front of another mooring...perhaps they are from the same anchoring-school as the first evicted monohull. I hope they both stay away from us. Whilst it's not our yacht, so we shouldn't care...we take pride in returning our boats in same or better condition than we got them. Which seems to put us in the minority. Edit - a third monohul just screamed in at high speed...and is now aground in front of foxy's. Genuine muppet-show this evening!
Last edited by Christo; 05/24/2019 05:22 PM.
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