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Re: CGB Boat on shore
[Re: Orange_Burst]
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01/25/2019 11:40 AM
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We saw a boat in White Bay put the eye of the mooring ball right onto the horn of his bow and walk away. He was tied up! When the wind switched the line popped right off the horn and he was loose. Amazing what you see out there!
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
[Re: Orange_Burst]
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01/25/2019 11:48 AM
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People need to remember the most secure way to stay on a ball is to motor past and wrap the pendant around your prop.
Hopefully no one takes that advice seriously....
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
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01/25/2019 12:28 PM
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The swell has been very bad the last 2 days. Nobody should have been overnighting in CGB unless they were tucked in east of the dinghy dock. Jason, What is the prediction for north swells for the next week? Leaving out of Road Town tomorrow.
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
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01/25/2019 12:49 PM
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The swell has been very bad the last 2 days. Nobody should have been overnighting in CGB unless they were tucked in east of the dinghy dock. Jason, What is the prediction for north swells for the next week? Leaving out of Road Town tomorrow. I'm the wrong person to ask. I know the swell activity when I look out the window and see how many surfers are on the point or hear the volume of the waves...
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
[Re: bailau]
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01/25/2019 05:54 PM
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question...assuming you have checked the pendant and you note the swell is high...anything you can do besides anchor watch? Best advice is to avoid anchorages that are exposed to a north swell even if they are calm when you tie up in late afternoon (CGB and White Bay, JVD are notorious and from the cruising guides & chart briefings this should be common knowledge). With the multiple sources of marine forecasts available at our fingertips there is plenty of advance notice available, and the swell can sometimes very quickly build in just a few hours. There are several good close-by alternatives to CGB and White Bay if a north swell is forecast - Great Harbour, Little Harbour, and Diamond Cay at JVD, and Sopers Hole. If you are moored with a heavy swell, at the very least don't leave the vessel unattended and head to the beach! I recall a few years ago the motoryacht that disintegrated on the rocks at White Bay, JVD. There was heavy swell and the mooring pendant snapped as the ~20 ton boat pitched up. The vessel was ashore within a minute or two. If the swell unexpectedly picks up at night and you're stuck (or you get a serious squall), I would be in the cockpit maintaining a watch. I might then set the anchor alarm with a short radius of 1 boat length to help as an additional 'set of eyes' especially if it was a very dark or rainy night. I would not rely solely on the alarm and head off to bed. If the mooring fails, by the time you wake up to hear the alarm beeping, jump up on deck, and assess the situation, it may be too late.
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
[Re: Orange_Burst]
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01/26/2019 12:26 AM
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Our visits to CGB have all been land-based, pre- or post-charter. One morning we woke to see all the boats in the bay bucking violently. I was very glad to be on shore. Since then, I've always wondered if the swell forecasts are reliable enough to avoid that situation. Having that kind of severe swell pop up in the middle of the night would not be something I'd want to experience. Dan ![cheers cheers](/images/graemlins/default/cheers.gif)
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
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01/26/2019 12:58 PM
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https://forecast.weather.gov/shmrn.php?mz=amz715SMALL CRAFT SHOULD EXERCISE CAUTION REST OF TODAY East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 4 to 6 feet with occasional seas up to 8 feet. Dominant period 9 seconds. Isolated showers. TONIGHT East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 4 to 6 feet with occasional seas up to 8 feet. Dominant period 8 seconds. SUNDAY East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 4 to 6 feet with occasional seas up to 8 feet. Dominant period 8 seconds. Scattered showers. SUNDAY NIGHT East winds 15 to 20 knots. Seas 4 to 6 feet with occasional seas up to 8 feet. Dominant period 7 seconds. Isolated showers. MONDAY East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 3 to 5 feet with occasional seas up to 6 feet. Dominant period 8 seconds. Isolated showers. TUESDAY East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 3 to 5 feet with occasional seas up to 6 feet. Dominant period 8 seconds. Scattered showers. WEDNESDAY East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 2 to 4 feet with occasional seas up to 5 feet. Dominant period 10 seconds. NORTHWEST SWELL around 4 feet. Isolated showers. This is the current forecast. Note on the last day the capitalized portion. That is what you are looking for with regard to swell. Through next Tuesday looks good. Swell moving in on Wednesday. $$
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
[Re: Orange_Burst]
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01/27/2019 08:06 PM
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From what we can see...
1. Moorings vessel
2. looks like he used a double bridle to the mooring .
4. looks like the mooring can and its anchor drug toward shore being pulled by the weight and resistance of the boat due to the conditions.
5. Our last BVI trip, May 2017, before Irma., two of us on the jeanneau 36i.... we intended to moor at Diamond Cay, Jost Van Dyke, and go to dinner at Foxys Taboo....But it was open to the SE strong winds wind and swell . We needed a NE wind, not SE.
6. Also tried Great Harbor, although other vessels were moored and the harbor looked full, we passed Due to the SE winds and swell, it would have been a very rough night. Inside the harbor the conditions had boats boundiing and bobbing about..
7. Motored , yep, over to Canegarden Bay, where the wind was still howling and white caps at the pass entry. But, as we got in the lee of that big hill, the wind and windwave conditions went to near zero and flat. Much more comfortable and safe.
We had a very calm night on board after a good times at Myetts. For us, with all of Josts harbors open to the wind and waves, no way for us to moor there . But, that is us. A whole lot of other boats thought different. We are hoping the NE wind conditions will bless us this coming may and allow us to moor at Jost.
Of course, we were not there in canegarden during this presented incident, and can only surmise from looking at the photo....But great care should be taken when a mooring field or anchorage is open to strong winds and wave conditions.
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
[Re: kneafseym]
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01/28/2019 08:32 AM
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Maybe they were on someone's Boatyball and they got untied. Good one. LOL.
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
[Re: CaptainJay]
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01/28/2019 01:23 PM
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Capn Jay is right on - I use the surf site magic seaweed - if they are happy about CGB, I am not going there. https://magicseaweed.com/Cane-Garden-Bay-Surf-Report/480/And sailors should never have plans - sailors should have intentions.
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
[Re: BaardJ]
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01/30/2019 11:56 AM
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Best advice is to avoid anchorages that are exposed to a north swell even if they are calm when you tie up in late afternoon (CGB and White Bay, JVD are notorious and from the cruising guides & chart briefings this should be common knowledge). With the multiple sources of marine forecasts available at our fingertips there is plenty of advance notice available, and the swell can sometimes very quickly build in just a few hours. There are several good close-by alternatives to CGB and White Bay if a north swell is forecast - Great Harbour, Little Harbour, and Diamond Cay at JVD, and Sopers Hole.
Not arguing here, but am legitimately curious-Why is White Bay, JVD a problem in a north swell? As it's south facing it would seem a safe harbor. Is there some wraparound or seafloor effect I'm not considering?
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Re: CGB Boat on shore
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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01/30/2019 12:56 PM
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The swell can but not always wrap around into WB. Depends on the actual direction. Because of how shallow WB is it does not take much wrap around effect to cause issues. If WB were 15 feet deep it would be a non event. WB has several other issues that make it undesirable for overnights. G That makes sense-Thanks!
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